Hand History for Game 20056050094

$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 01, 12:37:28 ET 2008
Table Salvia (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: sniderstyle ( $454.20 USD )
Seat 2: BabyGrand ( $206.40 USD )
Seat 4: 99Jam.Mr ( $581.65 USD )
Seat 6: dmbush ( $223.00 USD )
dmbush posts small blind $1.00 USD.
sniderstyle posts big blind $2.00 USD.
Dealing down cards

Dealt to sniderstyle
BabyGrand folds
99Jam.Mr raises $6.00 USD
dmbush folds
sniderstyle raises $22.00 USD
99Jam.Mr calls $18.00 USD
Dealing Flop , ,

sniderstyle checks
99Jam.Mr checks
Dealing Turn

sniderstyle bets $32.00 USD
99Jam.Mr calls $32.00 USD
Dealing River

sniderstyle checks
99Jam.Mr bets $88.00 USD

here's the hand in question:
Villian is a 21/17 over 300 hands who seems like he's getting a bit frustrated
I put his calling range in position as suited connectors, pocket pairs, and KQ, occasionally AA KK, but I think he'd 4 bet them the majority of the time.

I think he would 4 bet AK

Should I make this call ?

Oh, and would anyone play this any different and cbet this flop rather than check?

I think on this board since it's soo dry I would bet to protect my hand against bluffs at least and heart draws I guess. I mix it up between checking and betting though. If I check the flop though I have no problem checking my hand down because at that point I don't think he's ever calling with worse. I probably call one bet after it's checked through on the flop. By checking the flop your hand becomes kind of transparent though and that's why I like to just check it down. If he has any kind of showdown equity with hands like 67s 88 99 I don't think they're gonna make moves on the pot. I think he might make a move on the board with an air hand though and that's why I call one bet.

As played well as I said I'd rather bet the flop than the turn. I think he peels the turn with a lot of hands like JT QT QJ, AT, AJ, AQ etc. When the A rolls off on the river obviously you can make a herocall once in a while depending on your gut and maybe you can make a timing tell or w/e, but I think I would just give it up at this point. The A hits a lot of his range that he peels the turn with so I don't think it becomes a profitable call.

well hero has QQ so that makes JQ a lot less likely, so what can villain be checking the flop and vbetting on the river ace? maybe AXss or AT?

a check on the flop is perfectly fine ESP if u have a c/r in ur game. I'm mentioning this because so many players these days only know how to bet bet bet (even high stake players) and have no variation to their game meaning that yeah ur hand is face up vs a reg who knows ur game well if u NEVER c/r or play pot control with like KJ here.

Betting the flop is ok too again ESP if u always cbet here, since he rarely has a K and I guess u protect against fds but they are prolyl jsut rr'ing u anyways so I don't think like that. A cbet here is gonna take it down a vast majority of the time or try to keep in like 7s+. SO if i bet here and was called I would be going for multiple streets of value or c/r'ing the turn since I can't really give him credit for a K and u said he is frustrated so could be floating to try and take away or get stubborn with his low pps. But that is a tough spot to be in so u can see why checking is good just as long as u have that aspect in ur game.

As played (which I like and think is great) I would bet turn as well and def c/c when Ace comes cuz now all he can have is A10-AQ, outside chance of A2s, A6s and JQ (all marginal hands to call a 3bet with unless ur Bobbofitos) but i think JQ, AJ, AQ (obv Qx hands less likely here and he can possibly 4bet AQ pre) and even A10 might all re raise turn if player is getting frustrated and esp if they are monkeyish. So def c/c this river from ur description and IMO a very well played hand.

metagame!

QUOTE(James):

a check on the flop is perfectly fine ESP if u have a c/r in ur game. I'm mentioning this because so many players these days only know how to bet bet bet (even high stake players) and have no variation to their game meaning that yeah ur hand is face up vs a reg who knows ur game well if u NEVER c/r or play pot control with like KJ here.
Betting the flop is ok too again ESP if u always cbet here, since he rarely has a K and I guess u protect against fds but they are prolyl jsut rr'ing u anyways so I don't think like that. A cbet here is gonna take it down a vast majority of the time or try to keep in like 7s+. SO if i bet here and was called I would be going for multiple streets of value or c/r'ing the turn since I can't really give him credit for a K and u said he is frustrated so could be floating to try and take away or get stubborn with his low pps. But that is a tough spot to be in so u can see why checking is good just as long as u have that aspect in ur game.
As played (which I like and think is great) I would bet turn as well and def c/c when Ace comes cuz now all he can have is A10-AQ, outside chance of A2s, A6s and JQ (all marginal hands to call a 3bet with unless ur Bobbofitos) but i think JQ, AJ, AQ (obv Qx hands less likely here and he can possibly 4bet AQ pre) and even A10 might all re raise turn if player is getting frustrated and esp if they are monkeyish. So def c/c this river from ur description and IMO a very well played hand.

aye, preety easy snap call thing about having two queens in your hand is that it reduces the chance of him having AQ/JQ by 50% really pushing his range towards like AT / AcXc, but if hes solid he shouldn't really ever have AT, except ATs which is 310:1 shot x4. If you'r shown Axcc here it's a good call because he's has to be bluffing a ton of the time to make his call on the turn +EV

Oh baby

One thing you have no consider is the value of checking vs the value of betting - When you bet you take the pot down VERY frequently since most 200NL players will never bluffraise you here, the value from betting comes from making the hand easy to play, you always win + you fold if you face resistance, similarly if he decicdes to value call with a hand like JJ-TT he will probably check it down.
Whereas if you check you gain value from his bluffs + you may be able to get 2 streets of value JJ-TT (something you could do if you bet flop as well), but realistically your just giving him room to bluff and are inheriting the role of bluffcatcher - this is a superior line vs players who are overaggro and cannot represent a realistic range here (80%+ of players cant rep AK here cause they always 4-bet it). While checking may have slightly higher EV the varience is much higher and it will lead to more stress / headaches which may affect your future descions in a negative way.

Oh baby

if you think hes getting frustrated and gonna make a move on you I bet flop to induce a shove from him. He dont have AK and since we have two queens KQ is unlikely so we dont have to worry much about the K. So bet/call flop and if he calls I c/r turn.

i think its a call if you think hes getting frustrated, since he can be bluffing busted flush draws here. Mabye he is vbing Axcc/Axhh. Its close but i make this hero call given he is frustrated with you and rarely has AK here.

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Última edição por zomgchipriffle 31 May às 19:02 CET