Hand History for Game 1745701169 (IPoker)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, July 24, 04:56:48 ET 2009
Table Chieti (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: maxioliver ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 3: GroovyJazzz ( $113.98 USD )
Seat 5: Maxii90 ( $138.06 USD )
Seat 6: abdax ( $56.54 USD )
Seat 8: Petroclus ( $60.05 USD )
Seat 10: Hero ( $61.75 USD )
GroovyJazzz posts small blind $0.25 USD.
Maxii90 posts big blind $0.50 USD.
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Hero 
abdax folds
Petroclus folds
Hero raises $1.50 USD
maxioliver calls $1.50 USD
GroovyJazzz folds
Maxii90 folds
Dealing Flop 
, 
, 
Hero bets $2.50 USD
maxioliver calls $2.50 USD
Dealing Turn 
Hero bets $5.50 USD
maxioliver calls $5.50 USD
Dealing River 
Hero checks
maxioliver bets $17.00 USD
Hero folds
maxioliver wins $35.77 USD from main pot
Ok the guy is 25/20. folds to cbets 50% but does not seem to give up on turns ever when he called. Also he is pretty passive on the river statswise, but have no actual read on him expect that he bet into a dead sidepot once.
I was seriously thinking about calling here. I dont see many made hands that makes sense on such a wet board. T9 would have raised the turn., 78 would have raised the flop or the turn. T8 could play this way and JT. I would not expect him to bet a nine like this because of passivenes on the river. What do you think? Also he did not raise a cbet out of 15 opportunities leading me to believe that he does not raise FDs.
What do you think?
EDIT: When looking at it again, i tihnk its a good fold. I dont see him having a big bluffing range here.
Hand History for Game 1745728013 (IPoker)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, July 24, 05:10:57 ET 2009
Table Chieti (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: maxioliver ( $60.66 USD )
Seat 5: Maxii90 ( $138.31 USD )
Seat 6: abdax ( $51.54 USD )
Seat 8: Petroclus ( $60.77 USD )
Seat 10: Hero ( $50.00 USD )
Maxii90 posts small blind $0.25 USD.
abdax posts big blind $0.50 USD.
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Hero 
Petroclus folds
Hero raises $1.50 USD
maxioliver folds
Maxii90 calls $1.25 USD
abdax folds
Dealing Flop 
, 
,
Maxii90 bets $2.50 USD
Hero calls $2.50 USD
Dealing Turn 
Maxii90 bets $5.00 USD
Hero folds
Maxii90 wins $13.08 USD from main pot
So no special reads on this guy nor his donking tendencies since i only had 70 hands on him. He ran 17/14 during this time.
Good fold? I think im crushed by his valuerange, and i would not expect an unknown nit to double donk air here.
Also general questions
How do you play against someones donks if he donks kinda rarely like 20-10%.
and
what kind of boards dont you cbet when you 3bet pf. Do you bet low wet boards? Do you bet boards with two broadways like QJx?
Ultima edicion por ytricky 24 Jul 2009 en 18:36 CET
hand 1 I prefer much more c/r the turn, because this kind of villain is going to float a lot this board with air, and if he is betting to defend a 9x in this drawy board he probably going to fold, if he is cbh, it's ok because it's good to see a free river with 14 outs and some marginal showdown value
as played I guess the call on the river is kinda lag call, and I probably would fold to avoid variance, but I guess It's close because his line doesn't make sense if he is a decent player, but you don't know if he is stupid to play 2 pairs or sets passive like this in drawy boards
Ultima edicion por Drone666 25 Jul 2009 en 03:48 CET
Hand one is alright, being out of position in that spot kinda sucks :(.
A checkraise on the turn as Drone suggested is definitely a viable option though.. but I wouldn't mind just check/folding or check/calling the turn simply because this board just hits so many of his hands. With that big bet on the river he could have a bluff but the problem is that he might be turning a hand like 67/98/97 into a bluff so I don't think I'd ever call. I'd much rather prefer a big bet on the river to fold out marginal hands because he's gonna have a marginal hand/draw a lot so a 3barrel on that board *could* work if you have the right dynamic going on.
Hand two is a pretty gross spot and you pretty much have to know the player... most important is his range preflop. I wouldn't mind if you called him down and took a note but folding turn is solid as well. One other possibility is calling turn and folding river to a bet simply because a lot of people don't dare firing a 3rd barrel as a bluff, so when he fires river again you can probably fold. I hate folding toppair to donkbets though.
About the questions:
If someone donks 20% of the time I think that's a lot. I would just call down pretty light (like toppair medium kicker kinda stuff) because the line is weird. After he shows down a strong hand like 2 times you can adjust.
When I get called by someone who 3bets I first check how many times he calls 3bets. If he calls really often (like <60% FOLD to 3b) I like to fire out a lot because his range is big so he's gonna have a lot of crap in his range. People like that often call 3bets with low pocket pairs/low suited connectors and stuff and all kinds of crap like suited gappers (T8s, 79s, QTs) and because there is so much dead money in the pot and your 3bet should support a strong range.. I like cbetting almost always. Except on boards like JT8, KQJ and the like. Just flops that connect with a lot of his range.
QUOTE(Twisted): Hand one is alright, being out of position in that spot kinda sucks :(.
A checkraise on the turn as Drone suggested is definitely a viable option though.. but I wouldn't mind just check/folding or check/calling the turn simply because this board just hits so many of his hands. With that big bet on the river he could have a bluff but the problem is that he might be turning a hand like 67/98/97 into a bluff so I don't think I'd ever call. I'd much rather prefer a big bet on the river to fold out marginal hands because he's gonna have a marginal hand/draw a lot so a 3barrel on that board *could* work if you have the right dynamic going on.
Hand two is a pretty gross spot and you pretty much have to know the player... most important is his range preflop. I wouldn't mind if you called him down and took a note but folding turn is solid as well. One other possibility is calling turn and folding river to a bet simply because a lot of people don't dare firing a 3rd barrel as a bluff, so when he fires river again you can probably fold. I hate folding toppair to donkbets though.
About the questions:
If someone donks 20% of the time I think that's a lot. I would just call down pretty light (like toppair medium kicker kinda stuff) because the line is weird. After he shows down a strong hand like 2 times you can adjust.
When I get called by someone who 3bets I first check how many times he calls 3bets. If he calls really often (like <60% FOLD to 3b) I like to fire out a lot because his range is big so he's gonna have a lot of crap in his range. People like that often call 3bets with low pocket pairs/low suited connectors and stuff and all kinds of crap like suited gappers (T8s, 79s, QTs) and because there is so much dead money in the pot and your 3bet should support a strong range.. I like cbetting almost always. Except on boards like JT8, KQJ and the like. Just flops that connect with a lot of his range.
Do you ever double barrel in 3bet pots appart from the A or K turn? Because i really feel my cbets arent working often enough and people go to the turn with shitty ranges.
A checkraise on the turn as Drone suggested is definitely a viable option though.. but I wouldn't mind just check/folding or check/calling the turn simply because this board just hits so many of his hands. With that big bet on the river he could have a bluff but the problem is that he might be turning a hand like 67/98/97 into a bluff so I don't think I'd ever call. I'd much rather prefer a big bet on the river to fold out marginal hands because he's gonna have a marginal hand/draw a lot so a 3barrel on that board *could* work if you have the right dynamic going on.
Hand two is a pretty gross spot and you pretty much have to know the player... most important is his range preflop. I wouldn't mind if you called him down and took a note but folding turn is solid as well. One other possibility is calling turn and folding river to a bet simply because a lot of people don't dare firing a 3rd barrel as a bluff, so when he fires river again you can probably fold. I hate folding toppair to donkbets though.
About the questions:
If someone donks 20% of the time I think that's a lot. I would just call down pretty light (like toppair medium kicker kinda stuff) because the line is weird. After he shows down a strong hand like 2 times you can adjust.
When I get called by someone who 3bets I first check how many times he calls 3bets. If he calls really often (like <60% FOLD to 3b) I like to fire out a lot because his range is big so he's gonna have a lot of crap in his range. People like that often call 3bets with low pocket pairs/low suited connectors and stuff and all kinds of crap like suited gappers (T8s, 79s, QTs) and because there is so much dead money in the pot and your 3bet should support a strong range.. I like cbetting almost always. Except on boards like JT8, KQJ and the like. Just flops that connect with a lot of his range.
If you feel people have shitty ranges and you have some equity when called (like overcards) on the turn it's fine to double barrel imo. Could also try to bet small on the flop and bet like 1/2pot on the turn indicating like you have no other plan than to shove the river.
He shouldn't feel very comfortable.
