Villian is relatively loose but we have no relavent history and this is our first sesh together. He is playing 28/24/3 and is getting involved in a fair number of 3b pots. Thoughts on flop? (although I dont think I can do much else other then flat his raise.. Also thoughts on what to do on turn and his betsizing. He bets 965 into 1585 when I only have 1345 left.

Full Tilt Poker Game #8192333174: Table Rye (deep 6) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:13:08 ET - 2008/09/23
Seat 1: StackedCrooked ($1,319)
Seat 2: the jimmy3 ($835.25)
Seat 3: Hero ($2,120.50)
Seat 4: ImNotSoGood ($2,796)
Seat 6: The_Eend ($2,903.25)
the jimmy3 posts the small blind of $5
Hero posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
HOLE CARDS

Dealt to Hero
ImNotSoGood folds
The_Eend raises to $35
StackedCrooked folds
the jimmy3 has 15 seconds left to act
the jimmy3 calls $30
Hero raises to $160
The_Eend calls $125
the jimmy3 folds
FLOP

Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $260
The_Eend has 15 seconds left to act
The_Eend raises to $615
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $355
TURN

Hero checks
The_Eend has 15 seconds left to act
OliveStech sits down
OliveStech adds $1,000
The_Eend has requested TIME
The_Eend bets $965

Well I dont think you can call here since you are so deep and I really dont think he will go mad with AK here.

Pretty sick spot.

With that raise on the flop of his I don't think he likes to fold but considering he calls a lot of 3bets I think he could have a pretty wide range here on the flop. His raise could mean he's trying to get you off your hand with hands like QT/JT/KT as a semi-bluff or he could be valueraising KK/QQ/KQ/AT. I think I would just try to get it in on the flop unless you think it's likely that he has QQ/KK here a lot and that he doesn't play big draws fast. If he could have KK/QQ but also a plethora of other hands then I think you should get it in.

Question is; is he likely to be flatting hands like KK/QQ to a 3bet squeeze preflop? If he 4bets those kind of hands it's an easy stackoff.

I think once you call the flop raise you're pretty committed I think. Maybe him requesting time is a timing tell? Maybe he's not sure whether to bet here or not? Or he's multitable-ing or hollywooding it up? His bet size is kinda weird though but you can see that in a number of ways. Either he's trying to perceive that a smaller bet would look stronger or maybe he actually thinks a weaker bet looks weaker in your eyes.

I think you should go with your gut on this one but I don't think I would be so likely to fold.

So what did you think about this hand and what was the result? o.o

I think like yourself, Twisted, that his flop raising range can be a lot wider than most people would believe in this spot. I also think that he would, for the most part 4b KK more than he would flat because of the player behind him and the fact that we are deep, QQ probably sometimes but significantly less than KK. Going into the turn I was praying he would not fire because it would have been really really ugly...

I changed what really happened he actually checked back the turn and bet this amount on a blank river, which looks much more bluffy and I snapped the river, he showed 86s

I thought the hand was much more interesting and difficult if he fired the turn as not too many people are capable of bluffing in a 3b spot like this on this type of board

ahahha I just thought that this hand is impossible
good job jamie :) I like it
''with the turn bet I think if he's not on drugs u'r beat''
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I would be happy to get it in on the turn but I think your flop call looks stronger than a push would. I don't like the flop call at all. You're giving him a free card, and turning your hand strength face up. Only against someone so bad that they would keep bluffing into an obvious monster would I take this line.

Ultima edicion por StealCity 05 Mar 2009 en 16:27 CET

Im def trying to get this in at all points postflop, so i'd play it how you think he will put the most money in with the weakest range of hands, which is prob flat flop and c/rai turn, i don't think folding is an option. A lot of players tend to bluff these boards in 3b pots since they think can rep 2pair, and you're usually not getting allin with AA or AK, and might not even be c-betting this flop with those hands so alot of times they think you're range for betting this flop is either a monster or folding to the raise, so usually when u call they shut down but alot of draws picked up on the turn and people are dumb + still will get AI w/ 2p

totally, i mean he put the flip and hooped it completely. i was shocked, never seen that happen before